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[Ben]

i thought that when i got home, mmmm half my beads are red cause i thought they would be easyest to see, oveously not
im sure other colours work well to but red will be the hardest to see, i guess it depends on the depth of the water mainly

[cbr6fs]

Ben is absolulty right about red in deep water.
As for using red beads to attract fish, i think it is impossible to say what attracts fish, ok maybe red beads work really well, but how do you know it's the colour that attracted the fish? maybe it was the noise,
Even in extremly clear water its a struggle to see much further than 50 meters for any animal, but water is an extremly good conductor of noise, certain frequencys can travels thousands of miles.

As for the rough ground links, my limited experiance has shown me the main reason for these is to save the fish, the times i have caught a fish only for the weight to snag, the rough ground link has been invaluble.
If you think about it a lead is what 80p to 3 quid, a rig is 30p at most, why else would you intentionaly make the weakest link just before the most expensive component in the water if it wasn't to save from a lost fish?

cheers Mark

[Old Smoothound]

When it comes to red beads, in my experience on the Taw and other estuaries .... red and yellow work far better than any other colours in clear water.

Its not that deep therefore the fish must be able to "See" them, but for slightly coloured water yellow and green take some beating.

For much deeper water, you can use luminous as fish will see them. It works for Pollock, Cod, Whiting and some if not all flat fish.

But if i relate to this to fly fishing..... black in deep water always works. I have even used blue flies with yellow heads and they were even more of a killer. And triut are notoriuosly difficult to catch in murky deep waters.

So it seems that maybe darker natural colours do work in the "murk".

[cbr6fs]

I buy all my rigs ready built so I have not used any beads yet at all, maybe it's time to start trying to build some of my own rigs.

Interesting thread though,
Maybe we should ask what colour beads everyone uses in what type of visibility of water say:
1 tap water clear,
10 as dark as my toilets water after a dodgey souvlaki,
Also be interesting to know if people change colour beads for night fishing, as all we really see in moonlight is blacks and whites.

The theory also says that luminous beads should not be luminous as past certain depths 30 meters or so as there is no sun light to actually reflect off the luminescent coating. And if any light is available it is only shades of blues as all the other colours are eventually filtered out by the sea,
Reds and oranges at around 10 meters,
Yellows and greens at 20 meters and last is the blues,
btw that is why the sea always looks blue (ok except for skegness which is brown the year round)

[Stickyboy]

Can I gather from all this then that red line is best because fish can't see it and red beads as an attractor is useless because they can't see them - because they're red?
Surely then if red is the first colour on the spectrum under water, the best attractor would be the last one, whatever that is?

[Old Smoothound]

MMmmmmm some interesting data coming out of this thread

From what i can gather from this is that below 10 metres red is useless, other colours useless below 30 metres. Leaving blue to be the optimum colour to use.

But luminous beads gather their light from the time you take them out of your rig box and the sun/torch light hits them, so when they are 30 metres plus down they should still give off light? So when deep water fishing it should be the luminous beads we should use??

Not knowing what the refractive index is of these beads on Wrightmans index chart, it would be hard to tell. Perhaps some of our physics experts out there could help us.

Looking forward to the next post.

[kiwimarty]

It's time to put me head between my knees and kiss my butt goodbye!!

Please pm me when you have the results!!

Kiwi.

[cbr6fs]

Nowt is useless if it catches those fish, and you guys have waayyyyyyyyy more idea how to catch fish more than me.

I guess the point I am trying to make is, do we actually know if fishes see the colours we are using to attract them, if they do see colours id bet me ass (now that is definitely Putting it on the line, when ya live here ) that they definitely don’t see colours as we do.

I would say that to a fish colours are not as important as say reflections, vibration or noise.

I have not seen the luminous beads, but my understanding of other luminous materials is that UV light energisers the phosphors in the product, effectively charging it up, we also use red, green and blue phosphors in our TV and computer screens, and a mixture or various colours in fluorescent lights.

Never heard of the Wrightmans index chart mate ya got me there, we did the law of Snell (Willebrord Snell) but that value would change, depending on if the bead was in the water or not, the temperature of the water etc etc.

Sorry guys but I joined this group about 4 weeks ago and it’s the first thing I can answer.

Cheers Mark.

[devondave]

well..... i have also heard about the red light thing :s
but i have found that if i am wearing a red jumper whilst mullet fishing i dont catch half as many mullet as i do if im wearing a blue one.
you guys maybe laughing now but when you see kev you ask him.
if im fishing with a red jumper on not half as many mullet will stop and feed in the groundbait i had to take kev with me to prove it (he thought i was going nutz!)
however

if i use red food colouring on my groundbait for the mullet you seem to get more fish coming in to feed on it.

but if you guys ever watched the blue planet when it was on tv remember they sat that sub type thing on the bottom with the bait out to attract as many fish as they could live infront of the camera. they used red lights to light up the bait and when they put the white lights on to demonstrate that fish cannot see the red light...they put the white ones on and the fish all buggered off....but could this be because they heard the switch of lights in the water? as the slightest vibrations can be heard underwater :S


i dunno its beyond me...back to fishing and eating pizza now i have used my only brain cell

[Ben]

well there was more to do with which colours fade when in the lesson but after i ahd the thought about fishing my mind started to give up n i starting thin king about fishing n catching a big bass using red line
i have just had another thought thoughm, in shallow water like corral reefs, fish which are poisonouse and dont want to be eaten coulour them selvs red/black sorta colours asa warning, this proves that fish must be able to see colours in shallow water, so maybe using black/red beads in shallow water is atchuly scaring off the fish
i always just use random colour beads though