crucian/goldfish ?

[NICK R]

Originally Posted by luke the carpy

thats a baby grass carp mate

I agree there ,

[Catfish Virgin (Still!)]

Originally Posted by NICK R

I agree there ,

Afraid not! It's an Ornamental Koi with mixed parentage. Good looking fish and it sounds like that lake will continually produce an array of oddities!

[luke the carpy]

the second fish mate no thte topic fish :)

[NICK R]

Originally Posted by Catfish Virgin (Still!)

Afraid not! It's an Ornamental Koi with mixed parentage. Good looking fish and it sounds like that lake will continually produce an array of oddities!

The second fish is a grass carp
Edit
Can not even see the first fish as its not showing for me

[Catfish Virgin (Still!)]

The second image is not a Grass Carp (of any size). The scale pattern is all wrong, as is the mouth. The colouration as described is also very indicative of an Ornamental Koi (cross). Probably dumped in the lake because it's worth to a collector is minimal (as it's "contaminated"!). There are far too many lakes and ponds now with just about every conceivable variation of the carp family. Not good for true carp fishing. But, whatever, they can provide sport throughout the year and will liven up the quietest day!