Bit of waggler help please

[PikeHunter]

When i use a waggler for silver fish, there's no weight worth talking about on the line and therefore i cant cast it very far. But when I was out the other day i noticed a couple of fella's using (what looked like a waggler with a fat bottom) and it the rig seemed to be sliding (i say this because when i saw them about to cast out, the float was at the tip of the rod and the bait was only a foot below it) so im assuming once they cast out, that the bait is going to drop down to the bottom of the lake!

They were casting a good distance across the lake and thats something i would like to be able to do!

So can anyone help me out here please?

thanks

[dave fish]

MMMMMM maybe they were fishing shallow (up in the water )if the fish are topping then theres not a lot of point fishing bottom ,have you tried using a pre weighted float they cast quite nicely tight lines.

[PikeHunter]

See that's another thing that crossed my mind, maybe they were fishing shallow! Their floats looked somthing like this - http://www.fishfriend.co.uk/uploads/...sions/6609.gif

Is there such a thing as a sliding float rig for Roach/Bream? I suppose there isn't because sweetcorn and maggots wouldn't be heavy enough to pull the line down through the float... I think my quivver tip rod is 10ft, but one of the places i fish is a lot deeper than that, so how can I possibly use a float to fish, say, 15ft?

Another wee question I have is hooks to nylon. I've got size 18 up to size 12, but on each one the hook length is only about a foot, maybe slightly more on the size 12. Is there any easy way of making the hook length longer, say 2 or 3 ft? I can't imagine it be easy AT ALL trying to tie it myself!!

[Banana Steve]

The chances were they were fishing the slider, normally used for deep waters or tight swims.

[PikeHunter]

I like the sound of that steve, how does it work though? im not 100% certain but i think they had sweetcorn on the hook. Would that be sufficient to pull the line through the float?

[Banana Steve]

I will sort out a diagram sometime tonight when i get home from work.

[BoldBear]

Fishing at range with a waggler

My mates and I used to regularly get placed in matches on my local estate lake by casting quite a way out to distant shoals of large Rudd or Bream using the following.

Rod: A 12ft or 13ft light to medium Match rod.
Reel-line: 3lb
Hooklength: 2lb
Hook: size 20, 18 or 16 fine wire (depending on the bait used)
Float: Onion Float (loaded with a brass insert in the base and bodied float with a peacock quill stem) with a shot loading of around 2 to 3AA.

If you need to fish at distance you will need:

A float rod at least 12 or 13ft long which has a fine & responsive tip action (not too stiff and not sloppy either).
line should not be too thick and your reel should be full to the lip; as a half filled spool is the recipe for short casting.
You should use a loaded bodied waggler such as an ‘Onion float’ or 'missile' or ‘zoomer’ and put 80% of the shot tight up against the base of the float.
You should use a float that carries enough shot to cast the float to the distance required with not too much trouble.

Fishing deep water at distance with a waggler

If the water is deep then you might be able to get away with using a sliding float (as Steve said "the sliding float is used for deep waters or tight swims") but the further you want to cast out the more shot you will need to add to enable the shot to pull line through the surface film and through the bottom eye of the float. Plus it may be harder to cast to the distance required because most sliders are not designed for casting really long distances.

Anyway good luck and tght lines

Keith (BoldBear)

[PikeHunter]

Steve - You da man, who da man? YOU DA MAN! thanks alot mate, appreciate it!


BB - just noticed you replied as well, just leaving work here but i'll get a read at your post once i get home, thanks

[pistonbroke]

Hi Pikehunter If they are not fishing shallow then they could have been fishing the slider float,Polaris floats are designed for fishing this method not that i have ever used them ,I heard they are good for the job.the other way of doing it is a sliding knot on your mainline to the depth you require tie your hooklength on and then put your bulk shot (enough to just set your float) about 18 inches above your hook. then put a couple of dropper shots no 10 will do for them and they will set your float to where it should be. if you put your bulk shot too close to the hook you might get a lot of line bites where they are hitting the shot so get this right and you could be on to some good sport. good luck

[Banana Steve]

Both Piston and BB have got everything to a tee.