| #1  06-06-2011, 08:21 PM | |||
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| starting fresh ! hey all my names jordan new to the forum  im 16 been fishing 10 years and im changing over from carp fishing to coarse and was wondering what sort of gear ill need id appreciate it if someone could give me a full spectrum of everything i would need to catch barbel perch bream tench etc :) many thanks looking forward to a reply    |
| #2 06-07-2011, 09:38 AM | ||||
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| Re: starting fresh ! Quote:
Rods: Because the fish you have listed can all reach a decent size I would suggest that you use a through actioned an Avon/Quiver rod with a test curve of around the 1.5lb or 1.7lb test curve, this will not only cope with Barbel and large Chub but can also be excellent for decent sized Tench and Bream; and gives you the choice of using the Avon tip section or the Quivertip. There are also a few Specialist rods of 1.25lb test curve which will also handle decent sized Barbel so you may need to do your homework and read the reviews before buying. I use the following two rods which cover all my needs from low water streams up to flood conditions;
NB. If your purse is a bit restricted then John Wilson makes an excellent Barbel rod for around the £50 mark which comes with both an Avon type tip section and a 3 quiver tip section and has received some excellent reviews. Reels: A medium sized fixed spool reel such as a Shimano 5000 or a Shimano 4000 is about right and will balance nicely with such a rod. If your purse is a little restricted then OKUMA do excellent reels of this size too. Or if you like using a centrepin I can thoroughly recommend the OKUMA Sheffield, it is a great reel which can trot a small stick float and has a lot of well known converts. Float Rods: If you want a float rod which will cover the fish you mentioned then I would recommend buying a slightly stronger float rod such as a 12ft or 13ft ‘Commercial’ float rod or similar, there are plenty of good ones on the market to suit most purses but make sure it is light as you will be holding it most of the session. I use a 13ft Drennan MKIV Tench float rod which handles line and braid from 3lb up to 8lb, but there are similar good rods made by other manufacturers out there. I also sometimes use a 13ft Mitchell Commercial float rod that I paid only £15 for a few years ago at a tacke show, which I have caught several nice Barbel and Tench on so if you look around you can find the odd bargain but stick to well known manufacturers as there are also some bad rods out there so be careful. NB.f you intend to trot a stick/Avon float on a river then a specialist float rod of around 15ft is a good tool to have as long as it is not too heavy because you will be holding it all the time plus it allows you to keep more line off the water. End Tackle: This depends on the fish you are after and the type of water you are fishing for example if you were fishing for Barbel on a small shallowish clear stream you could be using a half ounce lead on a short hooklength with a back lead to keep your line pinned to the bed and loose feed by hand; but if you were fishing a wider and deeper river for Barbel you might need to use a heavy feeder or PVA stocking to get your feed close to your hook. So It would depend on where you are fishing and the fish you are targeting. Remember that fish like Barbel and Chub feed in a very different way to most Carp so I would suggest you don't use the same end tackle as you did when Carp fishing and leave your lead-core and compicated carp rigs at home. I would suggest that you fish with more simple and less bulky end rigs else risk a few blanks. Several times I have seen Barbel shy away from stepped down Carp rigs with its anti tangle tubing pointing straight at the hook, I have also seen them shy away from a feeder in clear water which was there before the Barbel arrived in the swim, on more than one occasion; which is why I only use a feeder if I am fishing in deeper water with a bit of colour in it. Anyway, Tight lines and best of luck Keith (BoldBear) __________________ My Web Site (The Average Coarse Angler) Happiness is Fish Shaped (It used to be woman shaped but the wifes getting on a bit now) |
| #3 06-07-2011, 07:41 PM | |||
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| Re: starting fresh ! thankyou for the reply can i use a quiver tip for float fishing aswell :) many thanks what sort of hooks floats etc wil i need :) many thanks |
| #4 06-08-2011, 08:54 AM | ||||
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| Re: starting fresh ! Quote:
You can’t really use a quivertip for float fishing as it won’t be able to set the hook properly; When you are float fishing there is an angle between the hook the float and the rod that you would need to overcome on the strike so you need a rod-tip that is a little more substantial than a fine quivertip; whereas when you are using a quivertip you will be striking directly through to the end tackle. A good Float rod will have stand-off rings so that when it is damp the line will not stick to the rod blank; it will also have a crisp tip action to allow you to power out a float and pickup the line off the water on the strike but at the same time be fairly forgiving which will allow the angler to use finer hooklengths if needed. When you have used a good Float rod you will understand what I mean. You can use an Avon tip on a specialist rod for float fishing especially where you don’t need to cast very far but it won’t be quite as good as a rod designed specifically for float fishing. I occasionally use an old 11ft John Wilson Avon/Quiver rod with the avon tip fitted to trot a small overgrown stream for Chub or Perch or for fishing for Tench in small overgrown corners of an estate lake. Floats that I use: For use on Stillwater: Wagglers (straight and bodied) both pre-loaded (onions,Darts etc.) and normal unloaded ones. For use on Running water: Sticks, Balsas and small Avons . The Hook sizes that you use will largely depend on the size of bait you are using and the species you are fishing for, for example if I was using ‘casters’ for Quality Roach I would use either a single caster on a fine wire size 20 or 2 Casters on a size 18. If I was using hook mounted Luncheon-meat for Chub, Carp or Barbel I would use a heavier gauge hook that I could mount with the point slightly protruding from the bait so that the point can catch hold of the lip easier and the heavier wire would not only prevent it from being straightened but would also prevent the hook shank from cutting through the meat on the cast to easily. But if I was using a hair I could possibly get away with a size smaller. Have a look at < this Link > which shows some of the methods I use. and < this Link > which mentions the end tackle I use on small streams and rivers I hope this has helped you Best of luck and tight lines Keith (BoldBear) __________________ My Web Site (The Average Coarse Angler) Happiness is Fish Shaped (It used to be woman shaped but the wifes getting on a bit now) |
